I am extremely grateful for this Youtube Channel as it has uncovered a lot of the problems us swimmers have been facing. This whole octane training makes sense to me. I understand the Kinetic Energy and how we can use gravity to our advantage on the recovery. At the end of the video, you talked about how swimmers had straight arms on the pull when performing at the high octane level. I can't remember which video it was but you made a video that said pulling with you arm straight down creates a lot of drag and that can be fixed by bending the elbow and keeping your elbows higher towards the surface. I have been using that tip and it is very helpful, but when performing at a high octane level, would it be best to keep the arm straight or to continue using the bent elbow technique?? Thanks
Hi, could you please clarify what you mean by coupling motions. When I search Google for coupling motions I do not get results related to biomechanics. I would like to understand the physics that makes coupling motions work. Is there a different name for what you are talking about in general physics? Thanks, appreciate your work
Great video with the analogies of arm recovery But then you need to discuss kick speed and arm bend under the water So with increasing speed there MAY be less bend under water With all this being said, everyone is different and coaches need to find a correct style for each swimmer— What do you think?
Great video about important detail, thanks. To be precise there is just one common misconception regarding the octanes. Octane number is rating of a fuel's ability to resist autoignition (engine knocking), it is not measure of energy content. It is true its used in high performance engines, but for the reason that it can withstand high compression without premature selfignition. Paradoxically, pure 87 (ethanol free) gasoline should get you further than 93 gasoline. It has higher specific gravity and density per unit of weight. But in reality, it differs from batch to batch according to how good job is done at a refinery.
Gary, could you please break down Ian Thorpe's hip driven stroke, his use of his legs, his extension of his arms and why his technique look too smooth.
I performed the 93 one just twice a certain day months ago and never managed to replicate it again, not sure why I have this mental blocking ever since. In any case, the amount of generated power was way too high based on I was used to, I still remember being so happy that I had done what Schoeman did on that Body Rotation video … one day I will be able to do it once more.
Gary, I'm curious you mentioned sun yang 'surging' post breath with lumbar flexion, are there any strokes where you should have lumbar flexion consistently? I find myself going a lot quicker, at least in straight arm 50m sprints with it
First of all, i want to say thank you, for doing such an amazing job. I have a question fo you, we saw in London 2012, Nathan Adrian start doing high octaine in 100 free when there were at least 10 meters left. He was a foot and half behind james magnussen and he touches 1 hundredth of second before him, in terms of time or speed how does it effect the race?
Well, timed myself in a few 50 yard sprints yesterday. On the last 2, I used the high octane straight arm recover, and on the other, I used the shorter bent arm recover and stroke. The times were almost identical, looking at the wall clock. The difference was with the high octane, I was at 9 full arm stroke cycles, per length, and on the short arm stroke, I was at 10 arm cycles…. I am guessing that as I practice this more, the stroke count may remain pretty much the same, but the time should go down. This has served to get me more focused on full extension on the front part of the stroke and with the full length finish part of the stroke where with the short/more bent arm, I wasn't quite getting there… More practice……
I have been having fun playing around with this… As near as I can tell, the higher the octane level, the more important it is to synchronize the arms, kind of like you do your feet with the flutter kick. One arm recovers, and the other pulls. I can feel how much it adds to my kicking too… More experimenting. I will be doing some more timed laps, maybe next week and will see how much difference this makes. I have been getting the feeling that with distance swimming, it isn't as essential for the arms to synchronize as it is in the sprints??? Kind of like distance can work better with more of a catch up style???
Interesting explanations. I think it was 2 Olympics ago where the swimmers were using a loping style with one arm high and straighter, which made no sense to me since it was only done on one side. This makes far more sense. Now I know what was being discussed a bit ago on your videos about the straight arm recovery. Faster over the top also means faster pull under the water. The whole action/reaction thing in freestyle fascinates me. Spiral energy as my Tai Chi instructor calls it…I think with my over arm side stroke, I may resemble the loping style more since the under arm doesn't come out of the water…
This is a GREAT video! I've recently been wondering not so much about how high to recover my hands above the surface but about how much energy to expend on my freestyle entry. Whether to gently let my hand pierce the water or to do it more forcefully. I've come to the conclusion that it depends on the distance and intensity of the set but for me there really is no reason to be too gentle on my entry unless I am warming up or cooling down.
Awesome explanation!! The weed eater/lawnmower sounds are very disturbing.. they are not high performance engine sounds.. look at some of 1320videos for high octane performance sounds… I love the race club and watch every time i workout/ swim… keep up the amazing work you guys are the best period… I look forward to seeing what you have for us next!!! Swim club= winning
Wow YOU are such experienced people explaining things in a scientific way I m amaized with this Please can I have your advice if I want to swim more than 200 to 400 and not more than 5minutes in the 200 and not more than 8minutes in the 400. Thank you a lot
I am extremely grateful for this Youtube Channel as it has uncovered a lot of the problems us swimmers have been facing. This whole octane training makes sense to me. I understand the Kinetic Energy and how we can use gravity to our advantage on the recovery. At the end of the video, you talked about how swimmers had straight arms on the pull when performing at the high octane level. I can't remember which video it was but you made a video that said pulling with you arm straight down creates a lot of drag and that can be fixed by bending the elbow and keeping your elbows higher towards the surface. I have been using that tip and it is very helpful, but when performing at a high octane level, would it be best to keep the arm straight or to continue using the bent elbow technique?? Thanks
Are there corresponding changes (spontaneous or deliberate) in the underwater pull too ?
Please elaborate.
Hi, could you please clarify what you mean by coupling motions. When I search Google for coupling motions I do not get results related to biomechanics. I would like to understand the physics that makes coupling motions work. Is there a different name for what you are talking about in general physics? Thanks, appreciate your work
Great video with the analogies of arm recovery
But then you need to discuss kick speed and arm bend under the water
So with increasing speed there MAY be less bend under water
With all this being said, everyone is different and coaches need to find a correct style for each swimmer—
What do you think?
Phelps with low octane score and fastest.
Does a high arm recovery increse the shoulders pain?
Great great great. I always asked myself that question! Thanks
Great video about important detail, thanks. To be precise there is just one common misconception regarding the octanes. Octane number is rating of a fuel's ability to resist autoignition (engine knocking), it is not measure of energy content. It is true its used in high performance engines, but for the reason that it can withstand high compression without premature selfignition. Paradoxically, pure 87 (ethanol free) gasoline should get you further than 93 gasoline. It has higher specific gravity and density per unit of weight. But in reality, it differs from batch to batch according to how good job is done at a refinery.
Gary, could you please break down Ian Thorpe's hip driven stroke, his use of his legs, his extension of his arms and why his technique look too smooth.
I performed the 93 one just twice a certain day months ago and never managed to replicate it again, not sure why I have this mental blocking ever since. In any case, the amount of generated power was way too high based on I was used to, I still remember being so happy that I had done what Schoeman did on that Body Rotation video … one day I will be able to do it once more.
Gary, I'm curious you mentioned sun yang 'surging' post breath with lumbar flexion, are there any strokes where you should have lumbar flexion consistently? I find myself going a lot quicker, at least in straight arm 50m sprints with it
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First of all, i want to say thank you, for doing such an amazing job. I have a question fo you, we saw in London 2012, Nathan Adrian start doing high octaine in 100 free when there were at least 10 meters left. He was a foot and half behind james magnussen and he touches 1 hundredth of second before him, in terms of time or speed how does it effect the race?
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Absolutely loved watching this!
Well, timed myself in a few 50 yard sprints yesterday. On the last 2, I used the high octane straight arm recover, and on the other, I used the shorter bent arm recover and stroke. The times were almost identical, looking at the wall clock. The difference was with the high octane, I was at 9 full arm stroke cycles, per length, and on the short arm stroke, I was at 10 arm cycles…. I am guessing that as I practice this more, the stroke count may remain pretty much the same, but the time should go down. This has served to get me more focused on full extension on the front part of the stroke and with the full length finish part of the stroke where with the short/more bent arm, I wasn't quite getting there… More practice……
I have been having fun playing around with this… As near as I can tell, the higher the octane level, the more important it is to synchronize the arms, kind of like you do your feet with the flutter kick. One arm recovers, and the other pulls. I can feel how much it adds to my kicking too… More experimenting. I will be doing some more timed laps, maybe next week and will see how much difference this makes. I have been getting the feeling that with distance swimming, it isn't as essential for the arms to synchronize as it is in the sprints??? Kind of like distance can work better with more of a catch up style???
Interesting explanations. I think it was 2 Olympics ago where the swimmers were using a loping style with one arm high and straighter, which made no sense to me since it was only done on one side. This makes far more sense. Now I know what was being discussed a bit ago on your videos about the straight arm recovery. Faster over the top also means faster pull under the water. The whole action/reaction thing in freestyle fascinates me. Spiral energy as my Tai Chi instructor calls it…I think with my over arm side stroke, I may resemble the loping style more since the under arm doesn't come out of the water…
This is a GREAT video! I've recently been wondering not so much about how high to recover my hands above the surface but about how much energy to expend on my freestyle entry. Whether to gently let my hand pierce the water or to do it more forcefully. I've come to the conclusion that it depends on the distance and intensity of the set but for me there really is no reason to be too gentle on my entry unless I am warming up or cooling down.
Is the 'high octane arm recovery' same with 'body driven freestyle' ? Thanks a lot for the awesome video.❤😃👍🙏
Should you have the same catch under water with each of these levels?
How to keep fast kick when arms are turning faster?
Awesome explanation!! The weed eater/lawnmower sounds are very disturbing.. they are not high performance engine sounds.. look at some of 1320videos for high octane performance sounds… I love the race club and watch every time i workout/ swim… keep up the amazing work you guys are the best period… I look forward to seeing what you have for us next!!! Swim club= winning
It’s who has the better explanation
thanks for the video, but high octane is only suitable to 50m sprints..
This video answered my questions on freestyle arm positions. Thanks.
Does lane 2 subscription offers drills to learn those techniques?
Wow YOU are such experienced people explaining things in a scientific way I m amaized with this
Please can I have your advice if I want to swim more than 200 to 400 and not more than 5minutes in the 200 and not more than 8minutes in the 400.
Thank you a lot
Will you tell me please the meaning of this drill – a paddle on the left hand and a fin on the right foot?
5:40 – why the chin is up?
Thanks I will play with this today. 🙏