I’m just so sick and tired of exercises being labeled “BAD” because someone doesn’t understand proper form or they want easy CLICKBAIT. It causes confusion in the online fitness community and spreads misinformation. Videos like these are created for MAXIMUM VIEWS, not helping people.
Hi Scott, and thanks a LOT for this video! That guy had been getting on my nerves for a while. I actually have a suggestion for another video. This particular video of ATHLEAN-X (Stop Doing Curls Like This!) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTWO2th-RIY . This seems to be clickbait and what he says in the video doesn't even make sense. He says that this isn't the optimal way to lift if you're training for "Metabolic Hypertrophy". But who on earth said that we're trying to use that exercise for "Metabolic Hypertrophy" in the first place?? A couple of his other points in the video seem fine, but that video was posted 2 years ago, and now about a year ago he posted his "Perfect Biceps Workout" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gozU3CUIizs in which he does the exact thing he was telling us not to do (in the last exercise of the workout). I'm a fan of Jeff and his work, but I don't have a problem with pointing out his mistakes sometimes. I hope you can do a video on this to educate people as you've done throughout this series.
Hello Scott! I'm a long time follower of your channel and love your content. But there are a few things in this video that I cannot help but point out respectfully.
The BTN Press does not biomechanically train the posterior deltoid more. Here's my explanation:
*The posterior deltoid is mainly involved in shoulder extension and shoulder external rotation.
*In a BTN press, you feel tension in your posterior deltoid because your shoulder is in a further extended position throughout the movement which is why people feels its WORKING the muscle more.
*But the thing is, you are not extending against ANY resistance. You are not extending against the Barbell's weight. The barbell is just sitting on your traps in that position. There is only passive tension, MAYBE a bit active tension during the movement but without any resistance (because the line of pull of the posterior delts is perpendicular to the line of resistance of the bar… Not parallel).
The Overhead Press is just a superior exercise. It trains the front delt (shoulder flexion) and the lateral delt (shoulder abduction)… And with more weight since you're stronger in that movement pattern as opposed to the BTN press.
Also, let's suppose if hypothetically the BTN press did train the Rear Delts more, so now you're basically moving LESS weight and that LESS weight is divided into 3 heads… (Even in this hypothetical scenario this doesn't make practical sense)
The main issue with the BTN exercises is that, the more you add External rotation and extension along with abduction, you're moving your arm no longer in the scapular plane which may lead to a plethora of injuries with almost no added benefit (I might argue even LESS benefit). The injuries range from Rotator Cuff tears to Rotator Cuff impingements (mainly supraspinatus) Biciptal Tendinitis, Subacromial Bursitis and even Capsulitis and Labral Degeneration. Also bear in mind, not all shoulders injuries are a spontaneous pop. Most are accumulated stress which people notice overtime (months to even years!)
So you can do the overhead press, push more weight safely, overload better, not risk shoulder injuries and also work on your mobility and rear delts along with it. That's the safest and best approach in my opinion.
So, this begs the question. Why should one do the BTN Press?
10:24 what does 'pronated shoulders' mean? I know what protracted shoulders are, but I thought pronation only applied to the ankle and wrist joints. Anyone care to explain?
You are full of bullshit Scott. The last picture you uploaded to youtube stories is PHOTOSHOPPED. You can clearly see it. Plus you have done cycles in the past and sometimes you promote people as naturals who are clearly not natural. What the fuck is wrong with you dude?
Scott I can't agree with most of your statements here, there are 1001 better alteritives to every exersise he mentioned here, people should avoid these exersise beacuse there are many more far more effective exersises that are indeed safer
not agree with this video. Maybe 30% of this content but nothing more. I.E. Lying Leg Curl is not the best exercise for lower back since to load the hamstrings enough you will definetely stress at least partial the lower back. Doing it AMRAP light weight is ok but generally avoid potentially dangerous exercises. I, myself, injuries the right shoulder with some fucking lateral raise…and after almost 1 year still recovering…
Damm! I've actually watched a few of his vids over the years I'm no fitness professional but I did think sum of the advice was suspect! Now it's been confirmed! 👍
I've been watching that gravity dudes videos for some time now. Most of the videos had me get some bells tingling, but it was some vid about nutrition who set me off… and all the bull crap about being only an ad to themselves.
i've been doing the behind the neck press once a week for a couple years . no problems at all, AND i had rotator cuff issues when i first started training about three years ago. No pain or stress in my shoulders at all, but i do warm them up really well before i start my sessions to get the synovial fluid flowing.
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I’m just so sick and tired of exercises being labeled “BAD” because someone doesn’t understand proper form or they want easy CLICKBAIT. It causes confusion in the online fitness community and spreads misinformation. Videos like these are created for MAXIMUM VIEWS, not helping people.
(1:23)- Jed North
(4:14)- Ab Machines
(4:50)- Build Blocky Abs – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB7LBFSa82Y
(9:47)- How to: Stomach Vacuum
(10:10)- Behind The Head Press
(14:53)- Smith Machine Squat
(16:49)- Hip Adduction / Abduction Machines
(18:56)- Seated Torso Rotation Machine
(19:46)- Upright Row
(20:53)- Behind The Head Lat Pulldown
Again I also hurt my knees and my lower back on this machine
No one:…
literally no one:…
Ricky:…
Scott Herman: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ANYWAYS…
Oh My God Kevin and Scott in one video!?!? I can't wait!!! 😱😱😱😃😃😃👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Sorry Scott fuck the upright row
Please just don’t do Jeff nippard on instahh gold, instead have Jeff from athlean x, that’s definitely better and for garbaghh vshred is shit
I think Ricky wants the tank your wearing lol
I don't have that particular machine but the ones at my gym hurt my back
Feature your self in insta garbage I learnt my lower back from that machine before I watched that video
First I'm unhappy already since gravity transformation is here
But I'm going to continue to watch
Hi Scott, and thanks a LOT for this video! That guy had been getting on my nerves for a while. I actually have a suggestion for another video. This particular video of ATHLEAN-X (Stop Doing Curls Like This!) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTWO2th-RIY . This seems to be clickbait and what he says in the video doesn't even make sense. He says that this isn't the optimal way to lift if you're training for "Metabolic Hypertrophy". But who on earth said that we're trying to use that exercise for "Metabolic Hypertrophy" in the first place?? A couple of his other points in the video seem fine, but that video was posted 2 years ago, and now about a year ago he posted his "Perfect Biceps Workout" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gozU3CUIizs in which he does the exact thing he was telling us not to do (in the last exercise of the workout). I'm a fan of Jeff and his work, but I don't have a problem with pointing out his mistakes sometimes. I hope you can do a video on this to educate people as you've done throughout this series.
Hello Scott! I'm a long time follower of your channel and love your content. But there are a few things in this video that I cannot help but point out respectfully.
The BTN Press does not biomechanically train the posterior deltoid more. Here's my explanation:
*The posterior deltoid is mainly involved in shoulder extension and shoulder external rotation.
*In a BTN press, you feel tension in your posterior deltoid because your shoulder is in a further extended position throughout the movement which is why people feels its WORKING the muscle more.
*But the thing is, you are not extending against ANY resistance. You are not extending against the Barbell's weight. The barbell is just sitting on your traps in that position. There is only passive tension, MAYBE a bit active tension during the movement but without any resistance (because the line of pull of the posterior delts is perpendicular to the line of resistance of the bar… Not parallel).
The Overhead Press is just a superior exercise. It trains the front delt (shoulder flexion) and the lateral delt (shoulder abduction)… And with more weight since you're stronger in that movement pattern as opposed to the BTN press.
Also, let's suppose if hypothetically the BTN press did train the Rear Delts more, so now you're basically moving LESS weight and that LESS weight is divided into 3 heads… (Even in this hypothetical scenario this doesn't make practical sense)
The main issue with the BTN exercises is that, the more you add External rotation and extension along with abduction, you're moving your arm no longer in the scapular plane which may lead to a plethora of injuries with almost no added benefit (I might argue even LESS benefit). The injuries range from Rotator Cuff tears to Rotator Cuff impingements (mainly supraspinatus) Biciptal Tendinitis, Subacromial Bursitis and even Capsulitis and Labral Degeneration. Also bear in mind, not all shoulders injuries are a spontaneous pop. Most are accumulated stress which people notice overtime (months to even years!)
So you can do the overhead press, push more weight safely, overload better, not risk shoulder injuries and also work on your mobility and rear delts along with it. That's the safest and best approach in my opinion.
So, this begs the question. Why should one do the BTN Press?
10:24 what does 'pronated shoulders' mean? I know what protracted shoulders are, but I thought pronation only applied to the ankle and wrist joints. Anyone care to explain?
Since you like upright rows, can you make a video on them and any alternatives.
I can't believe Scott target him… He seems fine to me..
You are full of bullshit Scott. The last picture you uploaded to youtube stories is PHOTOSHOPPED. You can clearly see it. Plus you have done cycles in the past and sometimes you promote people as naturals who are clearly not natural. What the fuck is wrong with you dude?
Scott goes from Goku to Merged Zamasu when doing these videos…… And I love it 😂😂
Scott I can't agree with most of your statements here, there are 1001 better alteritives to every exersise he mentioned here, people should avoid these exersise beacuse there are many more far more effective exersises that are indeed safer
I think anyone who claims and market himself as a “fat loss expert” is “insta garbage”-worthy. His channel is full of misleading crap
not agree with this video. Maybe 30% of this content but nothing more. I.E. Lying Leg Curl is not the best exercise for lower back since to load the hamstrings enough you will definetely stress at least partial the lower back. Doing it AMRAP light weight is ok but generally avoid potentially dangerous exercises. I, myself, injuries the right shoulder with some fucking lateral raise…and after almost 1 year still recovering…
Damm! I've actually watched a few of his vids over the years I'm no fitness professional but I did think sum of the advice was suspect! Now it's been confirmed! 👍
Loving this series Scott, what's your opinion on Jeremy Ethier?
Cant say barbell any more. Its now bahh-bell
Ha! That was a great rant, like you said sucks that this info is out there.
Man, i really like you because you are real. Fucking youtube, is full of shit.
HE SOUNDS LIKE THE GUY FROM DESPICABLE ME!!!!!
Odear I have watched this Gravity video & added to Gym playlist! Thanks for putting me right
I've been watching that gravity dudes videos for some time now. Most of the videos had me get some bells tingling, but it was some vid about nutrition who set me off… and all the bull crap about being only an ad to themselves.
Gravity Transormation blocked me for calling him out on a certain exercise… Good job, Scott
What’s your take on redcon 1 halo Scott
Them traps gains though 🔥
Lol
How can you make a series where you bash fake trainers. WHEN YOU TRIED TO SELL RED LIGHTS THAT DOUBLE YOUR GAINS
I think that Athlean-X is gonna make insta-gahhbage video about you. I don't know about the other guy (haven't seen his videos).
i've been doing the behind the neck press once a week for a couple years . no problems at all, AND i had rotator cuff issues when i first started training about three years ago.
No pain or stress in my shoulders at all, but i do warm them up really well before i start my sessions to get the synovial fluid flowing.
3 golden rules of btn press? Also what is your opinion on the hack squat machine, Scott? Good for overloading quads or better alternatives?
Rikki Spanish……..